I have to wait for something at the moment, so I thought I’d have a read of Sabine Hossenfelder’s latest blog post. Then I thought I’d say something about it. Hossenfelder is green:
Is the earth flat? Is G5
is a mind-control experiment by the Russian government? What about the idea that COVID was engineered by the vaccine industry? How can we tell apart science from pseudoscience? This is what we will talk about today.
Well, it isn’t the Russians trying to track me on my phone. But never mind, let’s talk about pseudoscience.
Now, how to tell science from pseudoscience is a topic with a long history that lots of intelligent people have written lots of intelligent things about. But this is YouTube. So instead of telling you what everybody else has said, I’ll just tell you what I think.
No problem. I’ll tell you what I think too. But I’ll do it here thanks, because all too often if somebody corrects you or challenges you, their comments don’t see the light of day. Sadly that sort of thing seems to be increasingly common these days.
I think the task of science is to explain observations. So if you want to know whether something is science you need (a) observations and (b) you need to know what it means to explain something in scientific terms.
Yep. But as we found out last time, you can’t explain why my pencil falls down. Because you don’t know how gravity works. So you don’t understand black holes at all. Nor did Penrose, who you’ve been sucking up to.
What scientists mean by “explanation” is that they have a model, which is a simplified description of the real world, and this model allows them to make statements about observations that agree with measurements and – here is the important bit – the model is simpler than just a collection of all available data. Usually that is because the model captures certain patterns in the data, and any kind of pattern is a simplification. If we have such a model, we say it “explains” the data. Or at least part of it.
Huh? What scientists mean by “explanation” is explanation. You know. Explaining something because you understand it? For physicists, that means something like the photon, how pair production works, the electron, electromagnetism, how a magnet works, charge, mass, and so on. A model is not an explanation. A model is no substitute for understanding.
One of the best historical examples for this is astronomy. Astronomy has been all about finding patterns in the motions of celestial objects. And once you know the patterns, they will, quite literally, connect the dots. Visually speaking, a scientific model gives you a curve that connects data points.
Fine. But let’s not forget that the Copernican revolution took a hundred years. I fear the fundamental physics situation today is even worse.
This is arguably over-simplified, but it is an instructive visualization because it tells you when a model stops being scientific. This happens if the model has so much freedom that it can fit any data, because then the model does not explain anything. You would be better off just collecting the data. This is also known as “overfitting ”. If you have a model that has more free parameters as input than data to explain, you may as well not bother with that model. It’s not scientific.
Sure thing. It’s like the way they say string theory explains anything, so actually it explains nothing.
There is something else one can learn from this simple image, which is that making a model more complicated will generally allow a better fit to the data. So if one asks what is the best explanation of a set of data, one has to ask when does adding another parameter not justify the slightly better fit to the data you’d get from it. For our purposes it does not matter just exactly how to calculate this, so let me say that there are statistical methods to evaluate exactly this. This means, we can quantify how well a model explains data.
OK. That reminds me of what John von Neumann said: “With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk”. But a model is not an explanation. Being able to model a brick falling into a black hole doesn’t explain why gamma ray bursts happen. For that you need understanding, and I’m afraid it is in short supply.
Now, all of what I just said was very quantitative and not in all disciplines of science are models quantitative, but the general point holds. If you have a model that requires many assumptions to explain few observations, and if you hold on to that model even though there is a simpler explanation, then that is unscientific. And, needless to say, if you have a model that does not explain any observation, then that is also not scientific.
A model is not an explanation. A model is scientific if it offers predictions that can be tested by experiment. If it then turns out to be wrong, it was still scientific because it offered testable predictions. Pseudoscience doesn’t offer testable predictions. Quantum gravity offers no testable predictions. That’s because quantum gravity is a castle in the air.
A typical case of pseudoscience are conspiracy theories. Whether that is the idea that the earth is flat but NASA has been covering up the evidence since the days of Ptolemais at least, or that G5 is a plan by the government to mind-control you using secret radiation, or that COVID was engineered by the vaccine industry for profit. All these ideas have in common that they are contrived.
What do conspiracy theories have to do with it? The Standard Model is contrived too.
You have to make a lot of assumptions for these ideas to agree with reality, assumptions like somehow it’s been possible to consistently fake all the data…
Like the data that “proved” the existence of the W-boson, the Z-boson, and the fabulous Higgs boson? I recommend Carlo Rubbia and the discovery of the W and Z by Gary Taubes, along with The Higgs Fake by Alexander Unzicker. These guys aren’t conspiracy theorists.
and images of a round earth and brainwash every single airline pilot, or it is possible to control other’s people’s mind and yet somehow that hasn’t prevented you from figuring out that minds are being controlled. These contrived assumptions are the equivalent of overfitting. That’s what makes these conspiracy theories unscientific. The scientific explanations are the simple ones, the ones that explain lots of observations with few assumptions. The earth is round. G5 is a wireless network. Bats carry many coronaviruses, these have jumped over to humans before, and that’s most likely where COVID also came from.
All this conspiracy theory stuff sounds like a straw man. We’re talking about the difference between science and pseudoscience. So let’s talk about string theory, not the flat Earth. We know the Earth’s not flat. When we look through a telescope, we can see the masts of ships coming over the horizon. Why do I get a funny feeling Hossenfelder is going to end up telling us that some slab of pseudoscience isn’t pseudoscience? [PS: I swear I did not look ahead before I wrote this paragraph!]
Let us look at some other popular example, Darwinian evolution. Darwinian evolution is a good scientific theory because it “connects the dots” basically by telling you how certain organisms evolved from each other. I think that in principle it should be possible to quantify this fit to data, but arguably no one has done that. Creationism, on the other hand, simply posits that Earth was created with everything in place. That means Creationism puts in as much information as you get out of it. It therefore does not explain anything. This does not mean it’s wrong. But it means it is unscientific.
Oh this is getting irritating now. I’m not interested in creationism. How about digging into Hawking radiation and pointing out what an absolute crock of sh*t it really is? Or the information paradox? Or inflation? Picking soft targets like creationism is just patronising.
Another way to tell pseudoscience from science is that a lot of pseudoscientists like to brag with making predictions. But just because you have a model that makes predictions does not mean it’s scientific. And the opposite is also true, just because a model does not make predictions does not mean it is not scientific.
Bollocks. There’s a little something called the scientific method. The scientific method is all about “making conjectures (hypotheses), deriving predictions from them as logical consequences, and then carrying out experiments or empirical observations based on those predictions”. So if you’ve got a model that doesn’t make predictions, it isn’t science, and that’s that. (LOL, somebody has a sense of humour. There’s a picture of David Deutsche on the Wikipedia page on the scientific method. David Deutsche has been peddling many-worlds multiverse moonshine for about fifty f*cking years).
This is because it does not take much to make a prediction. I can predict, for example, that one of your relatives will fall ill in the coming week. And just coincidentally, this will be correct for some of you. Are you impressed? Probably not. Why? Because to demonstrate that this prediction was scientific, I’d have to show was better than a random guess. For this I’d have to tell you what model I used and what the assumptions were. But of course I didn’t have a model, I just made a guess. And that doesn’t explain anything, so it’s not scientific.
Oh don’t tell me, she’s lining us up to lap up the sort of nonsense Sean Carroll was peddling about dumping falsifiability. Because it was turning into an inconvenient truth.
And a model that does not make predictions can still be scientific if it explains a lot of already existing data. Pandemic models are actually a good example for scientific models which do not make predictions. It is basically impossible to make predictions for the spread of infectious diseases because that spread depends on policy decisions which themselves can’t be predicted.
Let me reiterate: if it doesn’t make predictions, it isn’t scientific. Pandemic models predict how many people will die if you don’t do a lockdown. Sadly they don’t predict how many people will die if you stop all flights from Wuhan to Heathrow, But like I said, a model is no substitute for understanding.
So with pandemic models we really make “projections” or we can look at certain “scenarios” that are if-then cases. If we do not cancel large events, then the spread will likely look like this. If we do cancel them, the spread will more likely look like that. It’s not a prediction because we cannot predict whether large events will be cancelled. But that does not make these models unscientific. They are scientific because they accurately describe the spread of epidemics on record. These are simple explanations that fit a lot of data. And that’s why we use them in the first place.
Boring. Why not talk about pseudoscience in physics?
The same is the case for climate models. The simplest explanation for our observation, the one that fits the data with the least amount of assumptions, is that climate change is due to increasing carbon dioxide levels and caused by humans. That’s what the science says.
So do the people who fly 200,000 miles a year. The when you ask them how big the effect is, or why it’s such a good idea to clear-fell primal forests for Drax B, they point at you and scream “Denier!” I’m with Michael Moore on this, and I note the calls for his “dangerous” film Planet of the Humans to be censored.
So if you want to know whether a model is scientific, ask how much data it can correctly reproduce and how many assumptions were required for this.
No. I’ll ask whether it follows the scientific method.
Having said that, it can be difficult to tell science from pseudoscience if an idea has not yet been fully developed and you are constantly told it’s promising, it’s promising, but no one can ever actually show the model fits to data because, they say, they’re not done with the research. We see this in the foundations of physics most prominently with string theory.
Oh FFS. String theory is the epitome of pseudoscience. It is not difficult at all to tell that it’s pseudoscience. Especially if you know that it’s the wave nature of matter, not the string nature of matter. String theory ignores the patent evidence of the Davisson-Germer experiment and the diffraction experiments by George Paget Thomson and Andrew Reid. These proved the wave nature of matter, which is why de Broglie got his Nobel prize. Not only that, but string theory has predicted nothing for fifty years.
String theory, if it would work as advertised, could be good science. But string theorists never seem to get to the point where the idea would actually be useful.
No, it will never be good science. Because string theory predicts nothing. It doesn’t follow the scientific method. It’s a mathematical fantasy that’s been limping along for fifty years, and it’s time it got the boot. The same goes for the Standard Model.
In this case, then, the question is really a different one, namely, how much time and money should you throw at a certain research direction to even find out whether it’s science or pseudoscience. And that, ultimately, is a decision that falls to those who fund that research.
Usually using taxpayers’ money. Has somebody sold their soul to Brian Greene? I thought Lost in Maths was all about telling taxpayers that a great deal of their hard-earned cash is being wasted on pseudoscience by so-called scientists who can explain nothing. By so-called physicists living a life of ease on the public purse. By quacks and charlatans who censor science, and who stand four-square in the way of scientific progress.
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Yep, everytime I read Hossenfelder’s blog I get the idea that she is backpedaling on some of her previous thoughts and writings. And that she is attempting to curry favor to others as she changes and shifts. And that she often goes after the low hanging fruit too much too, but then again, I do think her blogs are deliberately aimed at a low reaching audience,people such as myself.
Another UTuber I started watching is some guy called AB science, somewhere from Great Britain. He does a great job debunking Flat Earthers , 5g conspiracy theorists, Theoria Apothasis and other low hangers. When I asked if he was familiar with The Physics Detective he initially responded no. But a week later he stated that he speed read several of your articles and officially declared you Sir to be a “CRANK” ,someone on the outside trying to look in and that you are basically a fraud too. I sincerely apologize John for getting you libled and slandered in a public forum. Man Alive ! ,there sure are a lot of people nowadays who get their knickers bunched up their collective bungholes fast !
LOL! No problem Greg. I shall take an interest in this AB science guy. No need to apologize, I’m thick skinned nowadays. I’ve been subject to an awful lot of ad-hominems like that. There’s never anything to back them up. They never say he’s wrong about the speed of light etc and here’s why. It’s just insults intended to denigrate and put people off. Sadly I see a lot of that sort of thing from academics.
Yes, that was a rather odd blog post from Sabine Hossenfelder, wasn’t it? Maybe she’s going for a post at a place where they’ve been doing string theory. Anyway, sorry not to do an original piece. I had to hang around for a couple of hours, and thought I’d use my time for something.
__I read Sabine Hossenfelder’s “Back Reaction” when her posts make it to “Real Clear Science”. I have no idea how often that happens. I also read her book “Lost in Math”. My take? She’s one of the better popularizers of a field that has more questions than answers. These areas of interest are characterized by their intractability, the extreme difficulty or impossibility to confirm or deny the conventional wisdom. IOW, untestable hypotheses. There are far more of these than most people realize. They are more political than scientific.
__Max Planck: “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”
__Eric Hoffer: ““Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”
__You can spot these critters by noticing that they spend more time and effort on censoring those who disagree than making their own case. Peer review is the megawatt flashing neon sign that says “Orthodoxy spoken here, heretics will be violated”. It is purported to protect the naif from the evil purveyors of deviant ideas. In reality it is there to protect their rice bowls.
__Rant over. Observation: Most of the small amount of content that is not obvious dreck is sophistry.
Hi Roy, that was no rant, that was how it is. Sadly. But LOL, I just love that Eric Hoffer quote.
Great comments Roy; and thanks for adding a new word to my vocabulary: sophistry.
I’d say that most of those ideas (flat earth, conspiracies, Theoria Apophasis, etc.) aren’t really pseudoscience because there isn’t really anything scientific about them at all. In my mind, science is a very particular method for obtaining information, a sort of advanced trial and error process where you come up with some idea and see how well it fits the information either by observation or experiment until looking for the most ideal fit, a sort of algorithm. Most of the things labeled pseudoscience don’t even attempt something similar to this; instead they are just someone’s belief about something with no such trial and error process. I’d just call them unscientific-not that that’s always a bad thing-not every belief about something must or even can be scientific. Pseudoscience would then be something that actually follows this process to some extent but not completely, whether by artificially fixing some parts of the theory and not allowing change, some logical error or contradiction, or simply by the fact that the subject of the theory isn’t really testable or even able to be observed. Again, with regard to the latter, this isn’t always bad; there is certainly a field where we can consider more philosophical or metaphysical question in a way that is consistent and informed by our scientific knowledge. The danger is that someone less informed would read about such a thing and take it as empirical fact unaware that either there are faults in it or that it is, by its nature, not a pure empirical fact. I think the “banishment” of philosophy from science has really blurred the lines here. It seems that a lot of scientists nowadays don’t really understand basic philosophical and logical principles. That the application of basic logic easily disproves some of the bizzare interpretations so popular today like Copenhagen and faux-Relativity with its extra “dimensions” of reality really make this clear.
Well said that man. Yes, as far as I can tell there’s no science whatsoever behind the flat Earth idea. So it doesn’t qualify as pseudoscience. Pseudoscience is where something is pretending to be science when it isn’t. I think string theory fits the bill there. If it had only been around for 5 years I could cut it some slack. But not after 50 years. Not when it’s got in the way of the good science. I think the same is true for quantum theory. I hate the way it is said to be something that surpasseth all human understanding. I also hate the way its adherents say physicists don’t have to explain things, that’s mere philosophy. Did they somehow forget what PhD stands for?
“…the application of basic logic easily disproves some of the bizarre interpretations so popular today like Copenhagen and faux-Relativity with its extra ‘dimensions’…”
Spot on mate.
PhD stands for ” piled higher & denser “
Duff, what about Bernard Lavenda’s books Where Physics went wrong …and Seeing Gravity.? He’s a physicist who is highly critical of Einstein.
What about David K Ferry’s book 50 years in the Semiconductor underground? Basically says quantum physics is a swindle. that Schrodiinger wave mechanics is just a natural derivation of classical physics. Doesn’t believe in particles, just waves.
Physics Hermit: Bernard Lavenda’s books are £23.00 and £19.68. David F Kerry’s book is £56.52. They’re a bit pricey I’m afraid. I nearly bought Bernard Lavenda’s Where Physics went wrong for £8+, then cancelled the order in order to re-purchase with another book to qualify for free postage. Then the £8+ book had gone. Aaaagh!
Replace ‘conspiracy theory’ with ‘corruption theory’. It’s not so far-fetched to think the richest people in the land might scheme together at times to take power and resources from everyone else.
‘Conspiracy theorist’ is just a smear they invented to convince the peasants to self-censor, and basically shut up.
I agree with that, FtM. See what you make of this one: https://physicsdetective.com/censorship-and-propaganda-in-politics/
That in a nut shell is the history of the USA. Native American genocide,slavery, indentured servitude,race based anti-voting laws,misogynistic voting laws,child labor,share cropping,company owned stores & housing for miners & migrant farm workers,anti-union laws,the erosion of antitrust laws. Nowadays it is all about bait & switch, misdirection political topics to ” get the peasants to self-censor and shut up “.