Something is rotten in the state of QED

Check out something is rotten in the state of QED. It’s a paper by Oliver Consa, who has done some excellent detective work on the history of quantum electrodynamics (QED). He has delved deep into the claims that QED is the most precise theory ever, and what he’s come up with is grim:

Consa says the much-touted precision of QED is based on measurements of the electron g-factor, but that “this value was obtained using illegitimate mathematical traps, manipulations and tricks”. I think he’s right. I think he’s discovered where the bodies are buried. I think his paper is forensic physics at its finest.

The devil’s seed had been planted

Consa sets the scene by telling how after World War II, American physicists were regarded as heroes who could do no wrong. Such physicists were no longer harmless intellectuals, they were now “the powerful holders of the secrets of the atomic bomb”. Consa says the former members of the Manhattan Project took control of universities, and enjoyed generous state funding and unlimited credibility. He also says “the devil’s seed had been planted”. That’s because their hypotheses were automatically accepted, even when it concerned quantum field theory (QFT). This had been regarded as a complete failure in the 1930s because of the problem of infinities. However the physicists swept it under the rug using “renormalization”. Consa gives an analogy wherein Indian mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan has claimed that the sum of all positive integers is not infinite, but is instead -1/12. It’s wrong, it’s absurd, but renormalization has now been accepted, and is even sold as a virtue.

Meaningless explanations

Consa rightfully points out that it comes with a long list of meaningless explanations such as the polarization of the quantum vacuum, electrons and photons interacting with their own electromagnetic fields, particles travelling back in time, the emission and reception of virtual photons, and the continuous creation and destruction of electron-positron pairs in a quantum vacuum. I share his sentiments. It pains me that people believe this garbage. See Karen Markov’s quora answer. It’s lies to children, and pseudoscience junk.

Experimental results contradicted the Dirac equation

Consa’s paper isn’t. He tells us about the 1947 Shelter Island conference, where experimental results contradicted the Dirac equation. Questioning the validity of the Dirac equation meant questioning the validity of quantum mechanics. Questioning the validity of quantum mechanics meant questioning the legitimacy of the Manhattan Project heroes. Consa tells us how the conference attendees “devised a compromise solution to manage this dilemma by defining QED as the renormalized perturbation theory of the electromagnetic quantum vacuum”. But for this to work, “it was necessary to use the QED equations to calculate the experimental values of the Lamb shift and the g-factor”.

Bethe’s fudge factor

He then tells us about Bethe’s fudge factor. On the train home from the conference Hans Bethe famously came up with the Lamb shift equation, obtaining a result of 1040 MHz. His paper was on the electromagnetic shift of energy levels. Consa tells us that the values in Bethe’s equation were known physical constants, except for the value of 17.8 Ry. He also says “the origin of this value is unknown, but it is essential to obtain the desired result”, and that Bethe’s fantastic calculation is based on data that was calculated later, data that Bethe could not have known on his train journey”. The bottom line is that it’s “a value that was entered ad hoc to match the theoretical value with the experimental value”. Now that is fighting talk. And there’s more of the same.

Schwinger’s numerology

Consa then tells us that a few months later Julian Schwinger devised an even more epic calculation to yield the g-factor of the electron. Check out the Wikipedia article on the anomalous magnetic dipole moment. Consa says Schwinger’s one-page paper was on quantum-electrodynamics and the magnetic moment of the electron. This is the paper where Schwinger said “the detailed application of the theory shows that the radiative correction corresponds to an additional magnetic moment associated with the electron spin of magnitude δμ/μ = (½π)e²/ħc = 0.001162. It is indeed gratifying that recently acquired experimental data confirm this prediction”. Schwinger said prediction even though it was obviously a postdiction. A retrofit. Consa points out that Schwinger didn’t explain how the value had been obtained, and suspects “that Schwinger did not publish the theory because he had no theory”. The suspicion is that all he had was numerology, which is why he failed miserably at the 1948 Pocono conference. As did Feynman. Then came Tomonaga muddying the waters further. But then came Freeman Dyson to the rescue with his paper on the radiation theories of Tomonaga, Schwinger, and Feynman:

Consa tells us that Dyson said that the Heisenberg S-matrix could be used to calculate the electron’s g-factor, transforming it into the Dyson series. It was an infinite series of powers of alpha, where each coefficient could be calculated by solving a certain number of Feynman diagrams. Consa also tells us that enthusiasm returned to the American scientific community, but that some were critical. Like Paul Dirac, who said “How then do they manage with these incorrect equations? These equations lead to infinities when one tries to solve them; these infinities ought not to be there”. And Robert Oppenheimer, who thought “that this quantum electrodynamics of Schwinger and Feynman was just another misguided attempt to patch up old ideas with fancy mathematics”. Another critic was Enrico Fermi who said this: “There are two ways of doing calculations in theoretical physics. One way, and this is the way I prefer, is to have a clear physical picture of the process you are calculating. The other way is to have a precise and self-consistent mathematical formalism. You have neither”. Well said Enrico.

More fudge factors

Consa then describes how in 1950, Bethe published a new calculation of the Lamb shift that adjusted his fudge factor from 17.8 Ry to 16.646 Ry. And that “other researchers, such as Kroll, Feynman, French and Weisskopf, expanded Bethe’s original equation with new fudge factors, resulting in a value of 1052 MHz”. He says this strategy of adding new factors “of diverse origin with the objective of matching the theoretical and experimental values has been widely used in QED”. The strategy is known as perturbation theory.

Kroll and Karplus deliver a theoretical result that was identical to the experimental result

Consa then talks about John Gardner and Edward Purcell, who obtained a new experimental result which yielded an electron magnetic moment of μs=(1.001146±0.000012)μ0. That was in their 1949 paper A Precise Determination of the Proton Magnetic Moment in Bohr Magnetons. That meant Schwinger’s result was no longer considered accurate. But that didn’t matter to Feynman, because according to Dyson’s QED reformulation “Schwinger’s factor was only the first coefficient of the Dyson series”. The calculation of the next factor in the series was performed by Norman Kroll and Robert Karplus, two of Feynman’s assistants. Their 1950 paper was Fourth-Order Corrections in Quantum Electrodynamics and the Magnetic Moment of the Electron. They came up with a new theoretical value of 1.001147. It was almost identical to the Gardner and Purcell’s experimental result. Now take a look at footnote 23 at the bottom of page 13:

Kroll and Karplus said the calculations had been performed independently by two teams of mathematicians who had obtained the same result. Consa says it wasn’t possible “to imagine that a theoretical result that was identical to the experimental result could have been achieved by chance”. And that “this was the definitive test. QED had triumphed”. He says logic had been renounced, rigorous mathematics had been dispensed with, but “there was nothing more to discuss. Feynman’s prestige dramatically increased, and he began to be mentioned as a candidate for the Nobel Prize”.

The QED calculations had matched the experimental data because they were manipulated

Consa goes on to tell us that Dyson had doubts, but that his claim that the series was divergent did not diminish QED’s credibility. Nor did a 1956 paper by Sidney Liebes and Peter Franken on the Magnetic Moment of the Proton in Bohr Magnetons. This provided a very different value of 1.001165. Hence the coefficient calculated by Kroll and Karplus was wrong. Hence QED must be incorrect. And “there was no explanation for why Kroll and Karplus’s calculation provided the exact expected experimental value when that value was incorrect. It was evident that the QED calculations had matched the experimental data because they were manipulated”. Consa also says “the creators of QED refused to accept defeat. QED could not be an incorrect theory because that placed them in an indefensible situation”. Ouch. So what happened next? Andreas Petermann wrote a paper in 1958 on the Fourth order magnetic moment of the electron. Consa says Petermann found an error in the Kroll and Karplus calculations, as did Charles Sommerfield in his 1957 paper on the Magnetic Dipole Moment of the Electron. Consa also say this: “Once again, two independent calculations provided the same theoretical value. Miraculously, QED had been saved. For the third time in 10 years, experimental data had contradicted theoretical calculations”. And “for the third time in 10 years, a theoretical correction had allowed the reconciliation of the theoretical data with the experimental data”. Wince.

Keeping Petermann’s theoretical value within the margin of error

But things were set to get worse. Consa tells us how a research team from the University of Michigan performed a new experiment in 1961. The relevant paper was Measurement of the g factor of free, high-energy electrons by Arthur Schupp, Robert Pidd, and Horace Crane. They said g is 2(1+a) and a=0.0011609 ±0.0000024. Consa says the experiment was revolutionary in its precision, but “the authors were cautious with their results, presenting large margins of error”. Consa says in doing this they were keeping Petermann’s theoretical value within the margin of error to avoid “creating a new crisis in the development of QED”. Then in 1963 David Wilkinson and Horace Crane (again) came up with a new improved version of the experiment. This yielded a result which matched Petermann’s theoretical calculation. Their paper was Precision measurement of the g factor of the free electron. The experimental result was 0.001159622 ± 0.000000027, which was nearly the same as Petermann’s theoretical value.

A conscious manipulation of the experimental data

Consa says “this experimental result is incredibly suspicious. It was obtained after a simple improvement of the previous experiment, and it was conducted at the same university, with the same teams, only two years later. The margin of error could not have improved so much from one experiment to another, and it is extremely strange that all the measurements from the previous experiment were outside the range of the new experimental value. Even stranger, the theoretical value fit perfectly within the experimental value. Most disturbing, this value is not correct, as was demonstrated in later experiments”. He also says “it appears to be a conscious manipulation of the experimental data with the sole objective of, once again, saving QED”. And that “after this experiment, all doubts about QED were cleared, and, in 1965, Feynman, Schwinger and Tomonaga were awarded the Nobel Prize in physics”.

A temporary and jerry-built structure

Consa also says the cycle was repeated a fifth time and a sixth time. It sounds like whack-a-mole to me. Theoreticians come up with a calculation that exactly matches an experiment. Then a later experiment shows that the earlier experiment wasn’t quite correct. Then the theoreticians change their calculation to match the new experiment. And so on. Consa concludes with a Feynman quote: “We have found nothing wrong with the theory of quantum electrodynamics. It is, therefore, I would say, the jewel of physics – our proudest possession”. Only it isn’t. Consa also quotes Dyson from 2006: “As one of the inventors of QED, I remember that we thought of QED in 1949 as a temporary and jerry-built structure, with mathematical inconsistencies and renormalized infinities swept under the rug. We did not expect it to last more than 10 years before some more solidly built theory would replace it. Now, 57 years have gone by and that ramshackle structure still stands”. It still stands because it’s been propped up by scientific fraud. Here we are fourteen years later, and it’s still the same, and physics is still going nowhere. How much longer can this carry on? Not much longer, because now we have the internet. Yes Oliver, winter is coming. There may be trouble ahead.

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  1. You write “Consa gives an analogy wherein Indian mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan has claimed that the sum of all positive integers is not infinite, but is instead -1/12. It’s wrong, it’s absurd”. I think that’s a little unfair. It depends on how you define the sum of positive integers. Ramanujan introduced “Ramanujan summation” and never claimed it gave the same answers as conventional summation. Ramanujan summation is useful and interesting! (But not for computing infinite sums in the usual sense).

    1. the physics detective

      Point noted Richard. But we all know that 1+2+3=6 and 1+2+3+4=10 et cetera. See this plus maths article for details. The bottom line is that the sum of positive integers just isn’t minus a twelfth. So I think the analogy is pretty good, especially since the article uses the Casimir effect as an example.However it’s a pity that it says “the vacuum isn’t empty, but seething with activity. So-called virtual particles pop in and out of existence all the time”. It isn’t true. Vacuum fluctuations aren’t the same thing as virtual particles. See Cathryn Carson’s peculiar notion of exchange forces part I and part II. Hydrogen atoms don’t twinkle, magnets don’t shine.

  2. oliverconsa

    Hi John,

    I am the author of the paper. Great job!
    The amount of relevant information in the paper makes it very difficult to summarize without losing important data.

    1. Great Job yourself Oliver! Yes, your paper was difficult to summarize. But heck, it deserves some publicity. And some time from a guy like me. The more people who say something about this on the internet, the better.

  3. Greg R. Leslie

    Bravo Oliver and John ! One of these days one or both of you will probably discover charlatans who were reading tea leaves, using Ouija Boards, and/or Phrenology. No wonder last years Nobel Dyn-O-Mite award in quantum physics went to a group of ASTROPHYSICISTS.

    1. Thanks Greg. I was just reading the Nobel press release and noticed this: “The results showed us a universe in which just five per cent of its content is known, the matter which constitutes stars, planets, trees – and us. The rest, 95 per cent, is unknown dark matter and dark energy. This is a mystery and a challenge to modern physics”. I know what that is! Space is dark, it has its vacuum energy which has a mass equivalence, and there’s a lot of it about.

  4. Greg R. Leslie

    Yes Sir, you certainly do know, and have explained it most profeciantly at the most highest academic level for professionals and students; and most profeciantly at a much lower level for we gormless(LOL). Along with how gravity really works; what photons really are; what electrons really are; and many other facts and concepts that I now have a much better grasp of. By the way,your last essay on Oliver’s paper does not show up on my Physics Dective feed as a new topic,it only shows up in the comments section of the previous blog. In another week or so I will send in some more questions on current headlines, everyone please stay healthy until then.

    1. the physics detective

      Thanks Greg. I’m not sure I’ve got the photon quite right, but hey, it’s a start. Sorry I’ve been under pressure at work recently, and didn’t add the last two essays to my list of articles. I’ve now done that, and put in the NEXT links. Yes, stay healthy. The situation in Italy looks grim, and it could be like that here in the UK soon. It rather focuses the mind, methinks.

  5. Charles

    Much of this is completely true (I won’t say all, but only because then I would have to check every detail). However, it is possible to fix the the divergence problems of qed, using the rigorous mathematical methods of C19th analysis (taking limits. It is intricate by quite doable). I have shown how to do so in this paper. http://www.ejtp.com/articles/ejtpv10i28p27.pdf. The extraordinary thing to me is that physicists are not interested. They would rather sweep the issues under the carpet. Probably the main part of the problem is that doing so also shows that qed is really just relativistic quantum mechanics, that there is no justification for qft as a separate theory, that the idea that fields are fundamental is a nonsense, that there is indeed no reason or justification for renormalisation, and that pretty much everything currently taught about qft is based on the bits of qed which don’t work. It only gets worse in string theory, where they claim that it must be true that the sum of positive integers equals -1/12 because it is a physical result! (this was said in a famous numberphile video on Youtube)

    1. That looks interesting Charles. I shall read that. Meanwhile can I say that it’s sad that physicists aren’t interested in how you’ve fixed the divergence problem. They aren’t interested in how gravity works either. Or what the electron is. I know too many good people who can’t get their papers published. The situation is not good, and meanwhile physics is withering on the vine. Because there can be no admission of fault, because that would be bad for physics. So they’ve been harming physics for decades. There’s a dreadful irony to it.
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      No, I think there’s no justification for QFT as a separate theory. I too think the idea that fields are fundamental is a nonsense. Yes, there is indeed no justification for renormalization. In fact I now think QFT is so badly wrong it’s should be abandoned. We should start again, from classical electromagnetism. I’d like it if there was some material here that you found useful. I’d like to see people like you with top notch maths working on some of the stuff I’ve dug up. Starting from the photon, then moving on to pair production, then the electron, and so on. I think there;s a necessary sequence to getting the foundations right, and that QFT doesn’t have any.

  6. Greg R. Leslie

    O.K. John, time for another question, but not one based on headlines.
    For quite awhile I’ve been puzzled by what does a nutrino actually do ? How does it make its living; what is it’s usefull purpose in the quantum world?
    After scouring your past articles,other websites including Wikipedia, all I can come up with is a consensus of what most physicists consider a nutrino to be; what happens to it during and after annihilation occurs. Not what it does prior to annihilation.
    I did come up with a crude,basic possibility,but I am not quite ready to be laughed out of town .LOL !

    1. As far as I know Greg, a neutrino is something like a photon. It has no mass and no charge, and it moves at the speed of light. Only whilst a photon is a transverse-wave soliton, a neutrino is a rotational wave soliton. A breather. Something like the Large amplitude moving sine-Gordon breather. As for its purpose, I don’t know. Neutrinos don’t interact with normal matter much. Not like photons do.

  7. Greg R. Leslie

    Thanks John for introducing me to a new concept, that of breathers. They fit nicely into my ideas,at the least breathers don’t appear to contradict them. My rudimentary hypothesis is based on what I learned from you concerning knot zoos and knot theory. My interpretation of of the moebius strip/continous loops of pure energy going around and around inside of photons and elctrons,ect…are that in essence the knots are basic little machines: self- perpetuating engines/ motors. And what do many heat and friction producing motors possess to help combat excessive heat/friction? BALLBEARINGS and BUSHINGS ! I postulate that could be how neutrinos make their livings in the quantum world. Let the guffaws and belly laughs begin……..

    1. the physics detective

      I think of them as the twists, Greg. I think of the photon as a transverse wave soliton propagating linearly through space at c, and I think of the electron as a 511keV photon trapped in a “trivial knot” configuration. I think of the proton as the next knot, the trefoil, which needs a more energetic photon. The neutrinos come in when you mangle an electron into a proton to make a neutron. You need a twist to keep it in there. Only if the neutron is a free neutron which is not held tight by the surrounding protons, it works itself loose like a slip knot, and the components separate. Neutron decay is the jumping popper of particle physics!

  8. Greg R. Leslie

    Oh, o.k., so in a very basic sense nutrinos do serve as part of a twisting control process in the nuclei; and are sort of a waste byproduct of the decay process or annihilation process ?

  9. Greg R. Leslie

    I was concentrating too much on the more basic diagrams of knotts and was trying to apply my knowledge of macroscopic pioneering and sailing rope knotts to the quantum world. My nutrino would have been in the dead center of the energy knot,compressed into a smaller size, helping to control the flow(waves) of pure energy. And other compressed nutrinos in the outward loops as well, one for each color or flavor said of quarks, all at different wave lengths according to need. When let free they would merge into the one known larger traveling size, this would account for the three oscillating sizes.
    I should’ve paid more attention to the diagrams and GIFs of the torus rings with waves within waves?
    Still, it was great fun pretending to be a real scientist for a few days,thanks for putting up with me John !

    1. LOL, always a pleasure Greg. As for sailing, you know how a sailor pulls on the rope to control the mainsail? IMHO that’s like the way a neutron in a nucleus is held tight by the surrounding protons. As for quarks, have you read the proton. I think quarks are the crossing points in the knots. That’s why you’ve never seen a free quark. And never ever will. I should pay more attention to TQFT.

  10. Greg R. Leslie

    Time for a few questions again, John.
    1.) ATLAS experiments concerning the supposed Higg’s Bozo-ons supposedly decaying into beauty quarks ? ( There’s not enough quantum lipstick to slap onto this here beauty queen pig.)
    2.) Heidelberg U. using cold atoms to construct building blocks to simulate complex physical phenomena? ( More virtual computer smoke and mirrors to prove another virtual theory ? ).
    3.) Stephen Wolfram’s radical new computational concepts to explain super- symmetry? ( Is he trying to replace Einstein’s elastic space/stress-energy-momemtum tensor concepts; or just modify them ?).

    1. As regards number 1) Greg, I’d say this: when a church needs a miracle, a church gets a miracle. It was similar for the W boson and the Z boson. Alexander Unzicker’s book is well worth a read, as is Gary Taube’s article. I don’t know what to say about 2). I had a quick look and saw http://www.lithium6.de/ which looked OK. Can you give me a reference? As for 3) I read about that last week and thought it looked interesting because he was starting simple and he said energy is real. However when I floated out an email, I got this reply:
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      Thanks for reaching out to us! We really appreciate you taking an interest in our project. As I’m sure you understand, we’re concentrating on all the work we have to do in developing our own theory, so we don’t expect to allocate time to studying alternative theories.
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      Alternative theories! When I’m the guy who’s forever quoting Einstein? Grrrr! Then there was this:
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      If you think that your work directly informs what we’re doing (e.g. maybe it gives us deeper mathematical insight into the limiting structure of the multiway causal graph, perhaps it provides us with a more precise understanding of the correspondence between our models and the holographic principle…
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      The holographic principle! At this point I thought FFS, these guys are a bunch of quacks who know nothing, and who aren’t listening. Not like Robert Close, see https://www.classicalmatter.org/. I was clearing out drawers the other day and came across his 2009 elastic space paper: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00006-010-0249-1. Now there’s a guy who deserves a trip to Stockholm.

  11. Greg R. Leslie

    The 2.) question about Heidelberg U. was based on an article from Phys.Org , dated April,27th.,2020, John.
    Concerning 1.), you have clearly stated many times that carrier particles are bogus, I basically needed your conformation that I was reinterpreting things properly. I am just amazed by the length of time and the huge amount of money CERN keeps blowing thru perpetuating their myths. What would you suggest the LHC be looking into instead ?
    3.) As usual both of the links concerning Robert Close is 99.9% over my head. But I did comprehend that his research affirms the ” screw nature ” of the electromagnet spectrum because of rotational waves; the wave nature of matter; and that the aether is definately a ” something ” and not a ” nothing “. All in line with our beloved Uncle Albert’s theorems, just with a mostly new and exiting mathematical manifold interpretation?

    1. Thanks Greg. The PhysOrg article didn’t say much: https://phys.org/news/2020-04-quantum-electrodynamics-major-large-scale.html. It refers to this paper: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/367/6482/1128 which is available here: https://sci-hub.tw/10.1126/science.aaz5312. I didn’t like it. They claim they’re proving gauge invariance using cold atoms, when gauge invariance was a retrofit. Electromagnetism does not work because of a some mathematical symmetry or gauge invariance. They talk of electric fields and magnetic fields, not the electromagnetic field. They also talk of gauge fields and matter fields, even though the only field we’re dealing with is the electromagnetic field – either in the guise of a photon field variation or an electron standing field. They don’t know that the electron is field. There is no understanding of fundamental physics here. I’d say the experimental side of this is OK, but the theoretical side is cargo-cult mumbo-jumbo.
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      Yes, those messenger particles are lies to children. They do not exist. Hydrogen atoms don’t twinkle. The electron and the proton attract one another because each is a “dynamical spinor”. Not because they’re throwing photons back and forth. As for what CERN should be looking at, I’d say it’s the history. If they read the papers I’ve read, they’d know the Standard Model is wrong. Perhaps some do, but they’re in a hole. Being critical of the Standard Model is viewed as being critical of particle physics, which is viewed as being critical of physics. The situation is not good.
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      I think Robert Close is in line with more physics than people realise. What isn’t, is the Standard Model. It’s portrayed as a really successful theory, but it’s pretty much isolated from the rest of physics. When you’ve read up on classical electromagnetism, it’s amazing how different QED is. And amazingly, QED employs point particles. Even though it’s the wave nature of matter. See http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/wingate/StdM/chart_2006_4.jpg.

  12. Greg R. Leslie

    Thanks again John for the clarifications,and also the link to the really cool chart. That chart is exactly what I need to study for a few steady weeks. Quiz on Friday you say ?

    1. That chart is yet more cargo-cult garbage, Greg. See the bottom righ corner where it says the origin of mass is an unsolved mystery? That’s bollocks. Because of a certain little something called E=mc². The mass of a body is the measure of its energy content. The Standard Model flatly contradicts that. It’s another example of how the Standard Model is pretty much isolated from the rest of physics.

  13. Greg R. Leslie

    Oh, man am I ever in over my head. But I am still having fun,and slowly but surely learning.

  14. Abhinav Rao

    This paper was awesome , i read through it… do you think that the global assumptions based on QED theory like the highly oscillatory phases of water may also contain some mistakes due to the shortcomings if the same theory??

    1. Abhinav: I don’t know about the highly oscillatory phases of water I’m afraid. But I’d say that yes, some of the assumptions based on QED contain mistakes. For example, messenger particles are a mistake. Like I said in a comment above, see Cathryn Carson’s peculiar notion of exchange forces part I and part II:
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      https://sci-hub.st/10.1016/1355-2198(95)00021-6
      https://sci-hub.st/10.1016/1355-2198(95)00003-8
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      She said the exchange-particle idea worked its way into QED from the mid-1930s, even though Heisenberg used a neutron model that was later retracted. Another mistake is the assumption that light doesn’t interact with light. It does. See this article of mine:
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      https://physicsdetective.com/how-pair-production-works/

  15. Abhinav Rao

    Hey thank you so much for responding, I take it that your quite good at particle physics, I have one request, I hope you could answer it….
    I saw this article that makes heavy assumptions based on QED, like something like formation of an energy domain or such, and it connects it with consciousness which is super weird, I did ask a neuroscientist and he said he couldn’t make any sense with the physics part of it because the author delves very very deep into parts of physics which I’ve never heard off such as Energy Quanta-Gradients and stuff like that, and to me it seems pretty pseudosciencey as it is published in a non peer review Journal, however if you don’t mind you could please point out some of this mistakes(if any) this author makes on the QED theory? I would really really appreciate it, I’ll link the article down below:-
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344348924_Mind-Brain-Body_System's_Dynamics_Open_Access

    1. Abhinav Rao

      Feel free to skip to Tension vs Energy Domain part:) the reason of it has nothing to do with physics i think*

    2. Abhinav: I took a look. The stuff about the mind seemed to be OK. But as for the stuff in Tension Domain vs Energy Domain, I didn’t recognise it as physics. It’s as if the guy is throwing in everything but the kitchen sink and making it up as he’s going along. For example he talks about QED in section 3.2:
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      The phenomena of interference between the oscillatory modalities of the energy flows and impulse involved in the perturbation/excitation of the zero point quantum field comes to be affected by coupling-phase (oscillatory resonance), which, according to QED (Quantum Electrodynamic Field theory), is able to trigger the phase transitions that lead to the exited energy-quanta and impulse gradient distribution of oscillatory motions and charge densities (referred to as EEQ-GD, that is Exited Energy Quanta-Gradients Distribution) and to the structuring of matter (Coherence Domains vs Incoherence Domains)..
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      I just don’t recognise that as physics. In fact, I’d go so far as to say it’s all smoke and mirrors and fancy-Dan big words meant to impress, and Emperor’s New Clothes. I got as far as page 29 before thinking FFS, I’m not reading any more of this crap. See this:
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      Figure 4. The human energy-tension basin of attraction, i.e. the mind-brain-body (de-localized) system, reproduces the fundamental structure characterizing the EEQ-GD, which in turn reproduces the fundamental structure of the structured tensive domain.
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      It’s horseshit.

      1. Abhinav Rao

        Thank you for responding 😂 even i think there are huge problems with it, does QED even state anything like Energy Quanta-Gradients and stuff like that?

      2. Abhinav Rao

        Thank you for responding, I share the same thoughts, it just makes me wonder how did he come with such words if he is a physiotherapist and even expert physicists like you can’t make sense out of it😂😂 also is there anything known as Phase Conjugate Dynamics or Tension Conjugate Dynamics? I think the Tension part fails because you told me the tension domain was sh*t but is there really anything like that in physics??

  16. C G /praetorian /pyrrhovonhyperborea

    “1947 shelter island conference” – I had to look that one up.
    On wikipedia I read about that findings contradicting the Dirac Equations this beauty of a sentence:
    “… As it was known that the Dirac theory was incomplete, the small difference was an indication that quantum electrodynamics (QED) was progressing.”
    THIS, my friends, is intellectual dishonesty cranked up to the max! – it is on of the most pure examples for sophistry you may ever come across…. a finding contradicts a theory – “therefore the theory is making progress”. It hardly gets any more anti-logical,. anti-rational, anti-scrutiny than that. A contradiction that reinforces that which it contradicts.

    If theory A suggests “x” and experiment B contradicts “x”, then A didn’t take a step forward, in contrary, it was being presented a major stumbling block (i); even if some scientific quak may come up with a sleazy way around such obstacle, it is a major win for bull-shittery already, that this sentence even forgoes THAT sort of in-between step, and presents the contradiction as if it was confirmation. First class BS!

    This reminds me of so so many times I saw science-explainers or -educators present absurd nonsense as the finest of scientific achievements. Even worse, I often find, that the word “paradox” has become to mean the polar opposite of what it actually meant: rather than pointing towards a contradiction, that threatens the theory (your theory says something paradoxical (see “reductio ad absurdum”)? – well: back to the drawing board, then!), it is seen of a glorious opportunity to “learn” something. It boggles mind, or even worse…
    I have the sneaking suspicion, that people actually studying in this field get conditioned, by sophistry like this, to favor contradictory findings over intellectually homogenous ones, i.e. those theories that are intrinsically wonky over those which are borderline self-evident (and it paralyzes critical thinking, as they learn to mistrust their intuition of what is absurd or not and their instinct of searching for that very thing).
    Whenever I see “infinity” being treated like some meaningful thing, rather than a contradiction in itself (and an admonition, that one was on the wrong track!), I see the same conditioning at work. They rejoice over mystery (nil admirari! – THAT should be their motto; but, alas, it is the opposite…), feel validation in headache inducing intellectual inhomogenuity. Their mode of thinking is strikingly similar — to that of religious people, marvelling at ideas like people walking on water and healing the lame, the picture of some virgin birth and prophets talking to burning bushes, etc.: credo quia absurdus est! (literally “I believe because it is absurd!”),
    Since you mentioned Ramanujan: the fact that he pulled off that famous example of sleight of hand (ii), where an addition of all numbers was equal to “-1/12th”, says a thing or two about the nature of infinities themselves: they are absurd! – and in a mathematical system w/o zeros, I’d argue, there would be no such thing as an infinity. Both fictions are the 2 sides of the same absurd coin (but don’t bother arguing with mathematicians, that “x divided by zero” equals “infinity”; it’s pointless). Whilst the invention of zero may have made possible an incredible amount of discoveries, doesn’t change the fact that it is a piece of fiction. Nature knows no “zero”s. It only knows “somethings”. And when you theory turns out some infinity and/or a singularity, it should give you a hint, that something is — off [about it] . . .

    i) Granted: falsification is the way forward in all things science; but it is usually the death-sentence for one theory [or another] at the same time; and THAT VERY THING is the actual progress in question. The darwinian principle at work with bad ideas/theories…
    ii) I wonder if he secretly laughed at the idea, that anyone would take that little magic trick seriously…

    1. the physics detective

      I share your sentiments, praetorian. There’s a whole load of garbage being touted and spouted by people who ought to be serious scientists, but instead are f*cking charlatans. I now think Alexander Unzicker was right, and we should cut physics funding. That’s because we’re funding people who are actively getting in the way of scientific progress. Darn, the wife is calling, I’ve got to go. Time for a glass of Malbec! I’ll get back to you properly tomorrow.

    2. Praetorian: I am not a fan of Dirac. Not at all. He was around when de Broglie, Schrodinger, Darwin, and Born and Infeld were coming up with realistic electron models. But he sided with the Copenhagen quacks who “won the argument” and promoted shut-up-and-calculate and quantum physics surpasseth all understanding. Those guys screwed up physics for a hundred years. Dirac was still saying the electron was a point-particle in 1938. Even though there was a wealth of evidence for the wave nature of matter. The guy was a total charlatan. That intellectual dishonesty is worse than you think. You only realise it when you read the old papers. See for example Born and Infeld’s 1935 paper on the quantization of the new field theory II. On page 12 they said this: “the inner angular momentum plays evidently a similar role to the spin in the usual theory of the electron. But it has some great advantages: it is an integral of the motion and has a real physical meaning as a property of the electromagnetic field, whereas the spin is defined as an angular momentum of an extensionless point, a rather mystical assumption”. On page 17 they said this: “we think that the value of Dirac’s theory lies more in mathematical advantages than in its physical significance. It is well known that other systems with spin ½ do not obey Dirac’s laws; even the simplest one, the proton, has properties contradicting the consequences of Dirac’s equation”. And this: “the rest-mass occurring in our theory is not, as in Dirac’s, an absolute constant of the system but the total internal energy, depending on rotation and internal motion of the parts of the system. An external field will influence not only the translational motion, but also these internal motions”. On page 23 they said this: “in the classical theory we got the result S = D x B = E x H”. They’re talking about the Poynting vector there, a wave in a closed path. Dirac MUST have known about all this.
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      I don’t think people actually studying in this field get conditioned by sophistry like this. I think they paint themselves into a corner and dig themselves into a hole with their own bullshit and lies. You need to read Unzicker’s book The Higgs Fake. The big takeaway is that particle physics has form. Just about all the “discoveries” since the sixties have been faked. Again, the situation is worse than you think. They rejoice about mystery because that’s something they can sell. Quantum Mysticism. Snake Oil. Woo. Yes, the mode of thinking strikingly similar to that of religious people. In days of old we had fat bishops peddling twaddle and living a life of ease. Now the people who occupy the same socio-ecological niche are called physicists. Only they aren’t physicists. They’re imposters.
      .
      Yes, when your results in some infinity or singularity, or some paradox, it should give you a hint that something is wrong. But people like Penrose just keep on going like the Duracell bunny, pumping out nonsense like wormholes and time travel and a black hole being some kind of gateway to the parallel antiverse. Yes, falsification is vital for science, which is why the charlatans have been trying to come up with “theories” that can’t be falsified. The more I’ve learned about physics, the more I’ve realised how corrupt it’s become. The $64,000 question is: how do you fix it?

  17. Joshua

    Hey I don’t understand, are you for or against Oliver’s paper? 😅

  18. Abhinav Rao

    Hi just one last question, I’m sorry if I disturb you, he uses this same “Mind Body Dynamics” thing to explain NDE’S(Near Death Experiences). I’m interested in learning what happens during these NDE’S but using his phase conjugate dynamics and spin conjugate dynamics he has tried to explain something, which is based on this model.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328738002_Near_Death_Experiences_Falling_Down_a_Very_Deep_Well
    This is his article, its very huge so you can just read “NDS’S Out of body experiences” and tell me if his physics makes any sense to you( only if you have the time)
    I sent this to the famous neuroscientist and NDE Researcher Bruce Greyson and he said that he couldn’t make any sense of what the author was saying. Also regarding the EM sensory module, greyson pointed out there was no such thing
    As much as I am interested in learning about NDE’S I don’t think this is a way to explain it…..
    I don’t think what he’s saying makes ANY sense whatsoever but could you read that paragraph and tell me? I would really appreciate it, also thank you for taking your time to read and answer, I’m very grateful

    1. I downloaded the 80-page PDF and searched on Out of body experience, then read half a dozen pages starting from page 37. The physics is claptrap. Note that I’m not saying out-of-body experiences are claptrap. I do think there are things we don’t understand, and we shouldn’t dismiss something just because we think it’s impossible. But this guy is pretending to understand, with nonsense physics that he’s making up as he goes along. No more, please!

      1. Abhinav Rao

        I’m very sorry for disturbing you I was just confused 😕, also I’m very very thankful that someone who is actually an expert in physics responded, THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH💓💓💓

        1. My pleasure, Abhinav. Maybe you should take a look at Rupert Sheldrake’s stuff. He wrote The sense of being stared at. Many’s the time that I’ve admired some woman in the street, and she’s turned round and caught me staring at her… assets. LOL!

          1. Abhinav Rao

            Lmfao😂😂 kinda described what happens with my crush eh, also your sure that the guy’s article is sent you is Bs right? I mean does QED even state anything like that lol

  19. Joshua

    Do you think these mistakes will affect the QFT theories like quantum field vacuum?? Or zero point field?

    1. Joshua: yes. See Svend Rugh and Henrik Zinkernagel’s 2002 paper on the quantum vacuum and the cosmological constant problem. They kindly remind us that photons don’t scatter off the vacuum fluctuations of QED. They say that that if they did, “astronomy based on the observation of electromagnetic light from distant astrophysical objects would be impossible”. Hence the QED vacuum energy concept is “an artefact of the formalism with no physical existence independent of material systems”.

        1. Joshua: I’d say the zero-point field doesn’t exist the way it’s described. See the Wikipedia zero point energy article and note this: The idea that “empty” space can have an intrinsic energy associated to it, and that there is no such thing as a “true vacuum” is seemingly unintuitive. I don’t think that’s unintuituve. I think it’s intuitive, because I think space and energy are the same thing. However see this: According to quantum field theory, the universe can be thought of not as isolated particles but continuous fluctuating fields: matter fields, whose quanta are fermions (i.e., leptons and quarks), and force fields, whose quanta are bosons (e.g., photons and gluons). All these fields have zero-point energy. I think that’s wrong, because I think a field is state of space, and a fermion is just a boson in a closed path.
          .
          Messenger particles definitely do not exist. Hydrogen atoms don’t twinke. Magnets don’t shine. As for the researchgate paper, I’m afraid I stopped reading when I saw this: Excited water is the source of superconducting protons for rapid intercommunication within the body.

  20. Joshua

    Also does this mean that every assumption based on QED is wrong??

    1. I wouldn’t say every assumption based on QED is wrong. I’d say certain aspects of it are wrong. See for example my article on the hole in the heart of quantum electrodynamics. Of course, the $64,000 dollar question is how much of it is wrong? I find it hard to say, particularly since I think Topological Quantum Field Theory is essentially correct.

  21. The Physics Hermit

    Unzicker opens a can of worms with his list of videos. One is a 3 minute proof that the earth is not flat. So he’s fair game to any criticism as far as I’m concerned.

    The video documentary ‘American Moon’ pretty much proves the Apollo moon landings as being fake.
    There is also a lot of experimental evidence that rockets don’t work in space.
    I have issues as to whether orbital mechanics makes sense in the light of how ballistics works
    So pretty much anything NASA has done is BS.
    Then we have nuclear bombs which hardly has any evidence that they work other than photos in WW2 and Trinity and tests.
    Particle Accelerators…bah I see nothing but nonsense
    ITER Fusion experiment…bah I see nothing but a make work project

    Unzicker and ‘Physics detective’ are just controlled opposition. The physics fraud extends well into Newton, Kepler, Galileo…

    Einstein has nothing at all to offer. Relativity is all bullshit.

    Even the Kinetic Energy formula E = vmv/2 is complete nonsense. There is no experimental evidence to support it.

    Lies to children? You and Unzicker just want to reestablish Einstein? Is this some kind of joke?

    1. Greg R. Leslie

      GREAT SCOT ! Marty my boy, Q-Anon has finally invaded the Physics Detective ! Let’s call Buckaroo Banzi and His Lost Planetary Airman for the rescue while running to our survivalist bunkers. Because Earth Girls really are Easy ya’ll……………

      1. Maybe somebody is impersonating a previous poster, Greg. There’s a lot of odd people around these days.

  22. The Physics Hermit

    Tell us about the fraud of the Kinetic Energy Formula in every high school text.

    Some detective

    1. It’s just a stopping distance thing, Physics Hermit. Apply some constant braking force, and momentum is just a measure of the time it takes to stop your cannonball in space. Kinetic energy is just a measure of the distance it takes to stop your cannonball in space, That thing we call c is just distance over time. A conversion factor. But momentum and kinetic energy are just two sides of the energy-momentum coin. Read this and work it through:
      .
      https://physicsdetective.com/the-mystery-of-mass-is-a-myth/

      1. The Physics Hermit

        No, I don’t need to read anything. I don’t even need to understand physics and math at all.

        The KE formula does not pass the smell test. Velocity squared indicates that its really important in determining “energy”. Yet I don’t see any evidence in real life. Pro Bowlers aren’t throwing small balls really fast to knock down more pins. Small Wrecking Balls aren’t swung really fast to knock down buildings more efficiently.

        Its all bullshit peddled by Leibniz and some french woman. This is not Newtons work so why do you defend it? The KE formula is experimentally defended by some absurd clay experiments. The simple truth that KE formula is total bullshit is enough to toss every single physics book into a bonfire. You can’t possibly be serious about physics defending such crap.

        P.S. I’m the say guy as before who criticized Winterberg’s absurd fusion bombs

        1. Greg R. Leslie

          But yet really small bullets travelling at extremely high velocities can transfer high kinetic energy to whatever it hits. Can not the mass/velocity ratios be adjusted to any balance/imbalance one wants? If you are interested in a relatively small,lightweight but dense projectile travelling at obscene velocities; then I highly recommend watching the declassified YouTube videos on the U.S. Navy’s railgun project. You too John ! (P.S., my youngest son Paul is a professional welder and has helped construct large parts of the overall assembly).

          1. The Physics Hermit

            “Can not the mass/velocity ratios be adjusted to any balance/imbalance one wants?”

            What a bullshit answer. And what does railgun project have to do with this?

            The question remains that p = mv is experimentally proven. KE = 1/2vmv has not. In fact, in its history it started as vmv and was complete nonsense. Then the one half has added in front of it. Still ludicrous. Physics has not got a lick of credibility with the kinetic energy in every textbook. Lies to children. I guess the Physics “Detective” really doesn’t give a shit about the truth and neither do you.

            1. I care a great deal about the truth. Like I said before, read https://physicsdetective.com/the-mystery-of-mass-is-a-myth/ . The ½v² in the kinetic energy equation KE = ½mv² is an integral. The easiest way to understand it is via a cannonball in space being slowed down by a constant braking force, provided by uniformly-spaced sheets of cardboard. When ithe cannonball is going fast it punches through more sheets of cardboard. The number of sheets relates to the stopping distance, and to the total damage it does, which relates to the kinetic energy. The momentum p=mv relates to the stopping time. Both the kinetic energy and momentum are two sides of the energy-momentum coin. You can’t take kinetic energy away from your cannonball without taking momentum away. Then you apply this to a wave, and take note of the wave nature of matter. After that you know that the Higgs mechanism is complete nonsense.

  23. Greg R. Leslie

    My mass/velocity, balance/imbalance comment was in response to your own large/small , fast/slow bowling ball/wrecking ball anologies. In reality anyone can increase/decrease velocity/mass for various results,some results obviously better than others. Besides you forgot to mention practical reasons why people don’t bowl with 100lb.balls or bring down buildings with 50ft. diameter wrecking balls.
    Also, you are the one who initially brought up ballistics, so I thought you might be interested in how and why a tungsten alloy bolt that weighs 3.2kg at rest can be launched to a velocity of 3,390 m/s for a whopping 18.4 MJ at first impact. So what formula and wording would you use to describe this fake Kinetic Energy?

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